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Just Because You’re Paranoid Doesn’t Mean They Aren’t Out to Get You

June10

However, that doesn’t mean you have to be paranoid about everything because at some point, it’s beyond irrational. I noticed another blogger who wrote about the NRA supporting the NICS legislation that requires more records on disqualified individuals to be submitted while also creating more opportunities for those who have been unfairly disqualified for years to clear their names. But he asks some really strange questions and even though I know there are plenty of folks who won’t trust this legislation, theirs tend to be more based on more rational concerns of politics.

I Smell a Rat

There’s more to this than meets the eye. And my NRA is involved. What’s going on?

Seems straighforward enough, doesn’t it? An agreement has been reached whereby the federal instant check system will be better maintained.

Not straightforward by a long shot.

Why would the NRA, a gun rights group, involve itself if a database of criminal and mental illness records were all this was about?

That would be because these records are used for people trying to buy guns. If these records are tampered with or the database is somehow modified, it will affect millions of law abiding gun owners. Perhaps this blogger is fortunate in never having met a person who is in the database for something that’s not a disqualifying offense, yet they still have to wait 3 days each and every time they want to make a lawful gun purchase. While I’m lucky enough to have a fairly unique name and don’t have to put up with problems like similar names that turn up results, I still take note of the problems others have with it and want to see that the database is kept up in its best working order so that people aren’t denied their rights to own firearms based on bureaucratic FUBAR mistakes.

Why is this referred to as “gun-control legislation?”

Because it’s the WaPo writing. They don’t dare admit that their favorite little Dems have created a bill that will actually allow more people to clear their names and get guns as a result of the concessions that had to be made. Not to mention, they tend to not know what they are talking about 90% of the time when writing about existing gun laws or gun legislation. It’s funny how gun bloggers tend to recognize that fact most of the time when it’s an attack on their pet guns, but they forget about in the rest of the articles dealing with guns especially when it’s not a frothing at the mouth anti-gun editorial.

If Democrats (including my congressman, Rick Boucher, who here is referred to as “a pro-gun Democrat” but who is not to be trusted on this or any issue) are negotiating with the NRA, what exactly was negotiated away?

It’s not that something was negotiated away on our part. Jesus, did you not get the memo that from a political and PR perspective, gun owners could have been taken to the cleaners after Virginia Tech? Given the beating gun owners could have taken in this situation and PR nightmare it provided (prohibited person, internet purchases, “high cap” magazines, etc.), the compromise is that we convinced them not to add more gun control to the bill. The Democrats in Congress felt that they had to do something, anything. So we could either get in the game and play ball to make sure gun owners don’t get screwed or sit on the sidelines and let them submit a bill that would ban magazines, guns, add waiting periods, create federal one gun a month, ammunition limits, etc. It would not have been a hard sell to make to the general population. Instead, we acknowledged that something was going to be introduced and to get something good out of this. We did. And the addition of the types of records they want to NICS doesn’t change a thing about prohibited person status. This means we spared many gun owners. It’s simply referred to a compromise because the other side didn’t get all the bans and crap they wanted while we didn’t get the complete overhaul and near eradication of unconstitutional gun laws we wanted.

Chris W. Cox, the NRA’s chief lobbyist, is quoted as saying that if the legislation becomes a wish-list for gun ban types in Congress, the NRA will withdraw its support. But the very fact that the rabidly anti-gun Washington Post gives this story such prominence, and in describing it, refers to it as gun-control legislation, can this become anything other than a wish-list for those who work diligently to disarm the American public?

A wish list would be what I described above. If you honestly believe that this is a wish list, make your argument. You don’t. Other than the fact that a news outlet you don’t like covered it. Back it up with evidence to prove that anti-gun people got exactly what they wanted in a way that screws over people who aren’t already prohibited under current laws. I’m open to rational argument here.

Look, if you want to argue that you see gun controls being added on in the legislative process, that’s a legit concern. Like I’ve said before, until there’s something on paper with votes recorded, we don’t know what it will officially become for gun owners. But just saying that because the WaPo wrote about it means it’s bad is not an argument based in reason. Especially coming from an NRA member blogger who has ads promoting the rabidly anti-hunting HSUS in his sidebar. I know gun rights aren’t about hunting, but hunting is a big part of our culture and if a gun ban went far enough to restrict what the anti-hunting forces would perceive as hunting guns, they would support it.

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8 Comments to

“Just Because You’re Paranoid Doesn’t Mean They Aren’t Out to Get You”

  1. On June 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pm Alcibiades Says:

    I wonder how the Bradies are going to react to this…

    I’d imagine “shrill complaining”, as usual.

  2. On June 11th, 2007 at 1:22 pm Jerry Fuhrman Says:

    “That would be because these records are used for people trying to buy guns.” True. But they are not gun records. They are criminal records that currently exist and are currently available for law enforcement review.

    For that the NRA had to enter into negotiations? What is there to be negotiated?

  3. On June 11th, 2007 at 1:29 pm DirtCrashr Says:

    Still have a 10-day waiting period here in California, unless they can overturn that I’ve already been co-opted.
    Still I can appreciate the fear involved in legislation that’s not transparent, the whole Immigration bill was fraught with that and the issue of clandestine earmarks repeats it still.

  4. On June 11th, 2007 at 8:24 pm Pignock Says:

    Bitter asked “Jesus, did you not get the memo that from a political and PR perspective, gun owners could have been taken to the cleaners after Virginia Tech?”

    Why didn’t that happen? It certainly wasn’t because our friends in the media and MANY of the democrats in congress didn’t try. This may sound naive but I really believe the anti rights people tried to sell a message that no one was buying. Of course that doesn’t mean the next tragedy won’t cause a political firestorm.

    I think the NRA could have gotten more positive legislation for our side by repeatedly calling attention to the fact that the victims were made defenseless by the Virginia legislature and using that as a platform for reciprocity or a national CCL.

    Keith

  5. On June 12th, 2007 at 10:01 am MichaelG Says:

    “the compromise is that we convinced them not to add more gun control to the bill.” Unfortunately that has been the record of the NRA’s accomplishments for decades. I wanted to see this go the other way. Governments can not legislate away violence. What they can do is get out of the way of self defense at a minimum.
    I wanted more judicial review upfront, not as a defense after the fact. I wanted a weakening of the Lautenberg amendment as a quid quo pro for a 2A supporting org to support this bill.
    And in the end, follow the money. This is going to be another never ending federal funding of state activity.
    It should not be upto a doctor’s say so to deny an American a civil right. But that is what we’ll have. Then Americans will have to hire lawyers to get taken off of the “no gun” list. Unless they live under the jurisdiction of a judge that believes like many doctors, that wanting a gun for self protection indicates that you are violently paranoid and therefore shouldn’t be allowed one.
    I’m in the NRA and I’m against this bill.
    MichaelG

  6. On June 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pm Bitter Says:

    And just what political reality are you working in? Are you working in the one where Lautenberg’s party lead by anti-gun people is in power? Because obviously, if you really think that any interest group could accomplish that.

    Until people learn to live in political reality, they will always be angry and disappointed.

  7. On June 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pm MichaelG Says:

    Bitter, if you were responding to me, actually I’m a registered Republican and in fact currently serving as an election judge for last year and the next.

    As for reality – I don’t want the political reality of Washington, or of Chicago politics. I want to move beyond the political reality of earmarks to buy votes for military support. I want to move beyond the political reality of trading off my inalienable rights to buy a less restrictive law.

    This year, for the first time in 30 years the NRA got my membership money. If this bill, and the failures in Springfield, IL, is what that gets me, then they are no more representative of me than the current Senators and Reps from Illinois are. And the NRA will care every bit as much as the politicians do when my support goes elsewhere. But my money will go elsewhere.

  8. On June 13th, 2007 at 12:37 am Sebastian Says:

    I want to move beyond the political reality of trading off my inalienable rights to buy a less restrictive law.

    I want the same thing, but until we have a court system that’s serious about treating gun ownership as an inalienable right, we’re stuck playing it dirty in the realm of politics, which is ugly.

 


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